Microsoft is planning on phasing out newsgroups

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Hot-text

2010-05-05 06:10:38 UTC

microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98,news.admin.misc ,,, <<
some no more!

When Microsoft unplug their NNTP server it will have a big impact UseNet
community because they are not servers.
For UseNet community are nntp reserves for the NNTP server and if no NNTP
server there be no UseNet nntp reserves!

Now for subscribe for Microsoft I'm one are you?
Do you have a Passport for Microsoft?
And going to a Forums will not kill you, but for you and your BAD INFO you
will get KICK OUT and that a good thing!
And that why Microsoft is going Forums!

According to this site, Microsoft is planning on phasing out the
old newsgroups and helping users transition to ...
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=6097&tag=nl.e539
Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities
http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx
Microsoft hitting 'unsubscribe' on newsgroups
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20004109-56.htm

That will not affect the existance and continued propagation of the set
of newsgroups
with names that happen to begin with "microsoft.public."
Those of you that don't know any better than to read this or any other
microsoft newsgroup via the microsoft servers and who don't know how to
use alternate servers will disappear, but those of us who use "regular"
nntp servers will continue to read and post messages to this and other
microsoft.public newsgroups.
As I've said many times, Microsoft does not own or control the
microsoft.public set of newsgroups. They don't act as a central
coordinator, aggregator, or administrator of them, nor can they censor
or moderate them or their content. Many of you, for some reason,
believes that Microsoft does own, control, administer or coordinate
these groups. That is a delusion.
If Microsoft pulls the plug on their own NNTP server, they can certainly
do that, but it will have zero impact as to whether or not the
"world-wide" usenet community of servers will also do the same. They
have no obligation to do so (legal or otherwise).

Sunny

2010-05-05 06:38:03 UTC

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BTW, check the headers for this message (through one of Usenet's "not
servers"

Hot-text

2010-05-05 06:58:26 UTC

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Sunny UseNet are nntp reserve not the NNTP servers.

Post by Sunny

BTW, check the headers for this message (through one of Usenet's "not
servers"

Sunny

2010-05-05 06:34:54 UTC

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What ? Are you serious in suggesting that ISP's do not have NNTP Servers?

Post by Hot-text
For UseNet community are nntp reserves for the NNTP server and if no
NNTP server there be no UseNet nntp reserves!

Microsoft has no control on ISP NNTP Servers

Post by Hot-text
Now for subscribe for Microsoft I'm one are you?

Are you aware tha many many people using Usenet do not use the Microsoft
Servers?

Post by Hot-text
Do you have a Passport for Microsoft?

No, I don;t and have no desire to get one. (whatever you are on about)

Post by Hot-text
And going to a Forums will not kill you, but for you and your BAD INFO you

If you think that you will not get bad info on a "forum" then you are
dreaming.

Post by Hot-text
will get KICK OUT and that a good thing!

Simple things please simple minds apparently.

<snip>

T.K

2010-05-06 23:35:58 UTC

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Post by Hot-text
microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion,alt.windows98,news.admin.misc ,,, <<
some no more!
When Microsoft unplug their NNTP server it will have a big impact UseNet
community because they are not servers.
For UseNet community are nntp reserves for the NNTP server and if no NNTP
server there be no UseNet nntp reserves!
Now for subscribe for Microsoft I'm one are you?
Do you have a Passport for Microsoft?
And going to a Forums will not kill you, but for you and your BAD INFO you
will get KICK OUT and that a good thing!
And that why Microsoft is going Forums!

Hi,

Could someone advice a beginner newsgroup user how to read and post to this
and other microsoft.public.newsgroups after MS pulls the plug on their
own server? What should I use instead of "msnews.microsoft.com"?
I would prefer to keep reading newsgroups, than some webforum infested
with loads of advertisements and "eye candy".

Sunny

2010-05-06 23:51:09 UTC

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"T.K" <***@aol.com> wrote in message news:%***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
<snip>

Post by T.K
Could someone advice a beginner newsgroup user how to read and post to this
and other microsoft.public.newsgroups after MS pulls the plug on their
own server? What should I use instead of "msnews.microsoft.com"?
I would prefer to keep reading newsgroups, than some webforum infested
with loads of advertisements and "eye candy".

Use one of these. However, they do not carry all the Microsoft Public News
groups.

News Servers (free) search:
AIOE http://news.aioe.org/
Albasani http://albasani.net/index.html.en
CNNTP http://www.cnntp.org/cnntp - cnntp.org
ETT http://news.ett.com.ua/
http://www.eternal-september.org/
Tornevall http://news.tornevall.net/
Usenet4all http://www.usenet4all.se (blocks all posts from Google)
(Just send an e-mail to ***@usenet4all.se you will be e-mailed
your account information)

http://www.eternal-september.org/
***@datemas.de (send e-mail with 5-8 password)
http://aioe.org
http://freenews.maxbaud.net/
http://freenews.maxbaud.net/faq.html
http://www.news.x-privat.org
http://www.x-privat.org/international.php
http://cust.readfreenews.net/ (for posting access)
http://www.news.readfreenews.net
http://www.readfreenews.net
news.readfreenews.net
http://www.newzbot.com/
http://ecalame.tripod.com/free.html
http://www.newsservers.net/
http://www.yottanews.com (free.yottanews.com)

Hot-text

2010-05-07 07:14:41 UTC

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Now you say right here:::: Use one of these. However, they do not carry all
the Microsoft Public News groups. {{{ Sunny

and I say that they repost here and when there is no more
microsoft.public.newsgroups there be nom more RePosting by USENETS!

Post by Sunny
<snip>

Use one of these. However, they do not carry all the Microsoft Public News
groups.
AIOE http://news.aioe.org/
Albasani http://albasani.net/index.html.en
CNNTP http://www.cnntp.org/cnntp - cnntp.org
ETT http://news.ett.com.ua/
http://www.eternal-september.org/
Tornevall http://news.tornevall.net/
Usenet4all http://www.usenet4all.se (blocks all posts from Google)
your account information)
http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://aioe.org
http://freenews.maxbaud.net/
http://freenews.maxbaud.net/faq.html
http://www.news.x-privat.org
http://www.x-privat.org/international.php
http://cust.readfreenews.net/ (for posting access)
http://www.news.readfreenews.net
http://www.readfreenews.net
news.readfreenews.net
http://www.newzbot.com/
http://ecalame.tripod.com/free.html Sorry, but the page or the file that
you're looking for is not here.
http://www.newsservers.net/
http://www.yottanews.com (free.yottanews.com)

Sunny

2010-05-07 22:45:27 UTC

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Post by Hot-text
Now you say right here:::: Use one of these. However, they do not carry
all the Microsoft Public News groups. {{{ Sunny
and I say that they repost here and when there is no more
microsoft.public.newsgroups there be nom more RePosting by USENETS!

Bullshit.

MEB

2010-05-07 00:12:40 UTC

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Post by T.K

Hi,
Could someone advice a beginner newsgroup user how to read and post to this
and other microsoft.public.newsgroups after MS pulls the plug on their
own server? What should I use instead of "msnews.microsoft.com"?
I would prefer to keep reading newsgroups, than some webforum infested
with loads of advertisements and "eye candy".

You don't/can't to the groups on THIS server > Microsoft. You MAY still
be able to access the supposed group on services that do not honor the
Internet standards and requirements, however you will NOT be posting to
or on Microsoft, and any information/posts will likely be from the least
informed, most prone to error individuals the planet has to offer
regardless of who they might represent themselves as. And without
Microsoft's "newsgroups" Usenet users will have no ready information to
steal and post as if it is their own, hence the level of supposed
competence will be slim, likely of the type and quality found on "urban
myth" espousing sites, or the "tin foil hat" and similar.

So instead of moving to one of the forums offering further support from
which you can "strip" flash, ads, and other you may not want rather
easily or using RSS feeds or other offerings, you intend to subject
yourself to the mindless ramblings of those who generally need their
medications modified or are suffering from psychotic attacks..
Basis? Just look at a large percentage of Usenets offerings; or at the
alt offerings for the things you think you want or interest you.

Good luck.

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98 Guy

2010-05-07 03:14:50 UTC

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Post by MEB
You don't/can't to the groups on THIS server > Microsoft.
You MAY still be able to access the supposed group on services
that do not honor the Internet standards and requirements,
however you will NOT be posting to or on Microsoft, and any
information/posts will likely be from the least informed, most
prone to error individuals the planet has to offer
regardless of who they might represent themselves as.

I'm sorry, but when you post such utter garbage as that, it must be
countered with actual, rational facts, lest others think it's the truth.

The microsoft.public hirearchy is not a hierarchy that's controlled or
governed by the standards (or the cabal) of the Big 7. As such, there
is no standard way or accepted policy for the carriage of the
microsoft.public hierarchy and even less coordination for the systematic
removal of these groups (because it simply was never done before -
certainly not by Microsoft itself).

Microsoft's desire for these groups to exist on usenet is rooted in it's
decision back in 1996 to peer itself and it's servers with usenet. Who
issued the original group-create messages at the time is (to me) not
known.

Once created, these groups can not be removed - at least not in any
complete or coordinated way, and also because there is no single
authoritative body that is in a position to create a policy to deem that
they *should* be removed. Not even Microsoft itself is or can be in
this position.

What we will see are attempts by those that are hostile to Microsoft
where they will generate supposed lists of "current" or "default" usenet
newsgroups where the microsoft.public groups will be erased from those
lists, and there will no doubt be some servers that follow these lists
and will remove those groups from their servers. There will also be
check-group or rm-group messages that will be sent out by some of these
people (Julien ÉLIE for one) but for the most part those will be ignored
(no self-respecting NNTP operator honors external RM-group messages).
Microsoft itself has never, and in this case will most likely not send
any such messages itself.

As for what sort of postings will be made to this and other microsoft
groups once this D-day comes, there is no basis to speculate that they
would be any different than what occurs presently.

MEB can choose to not point his news reader (assuming he uses a news
reader) to another server that carries this group (such as aioe,
eternal-september, etc) but he can't claim that he can't participate
simply because Microsoft no longer carries the group (but I for one
hopes he doesn't). The signal to noise ratio of this group will improve
dramatically once he's gone.

Post by MEB
And without Microsoft's "newsgroups" Usenet users will have no
ready information to steal and post as if it is their own,
hence the level of supposed competence will be slim, likely
of the type and quality found on "urban myth" espousing sites,
or the "tin foil hat" and similar.

MEB is again predicting that these groups will not exist on usenet after
D-Day, and further claiming that some sort of "stealing" is currently
happening (something he has never claimed before, and for which he will
not provide any examples of).

MEB

2010-05-07 04:09:51 UTC

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Post by 98 Guy

Microsoft "governs" what it owns.

The "Web" is governed by its controlling bodies.

Usenet is governed by the regulations and other that apply to it.

Post by 98 Guy
Microsoft's desire for these groups to exist on usenet is rooted in it's
decision back in 1996 to peer itself and it's servers with usenet. Who
issued the original group-create messages at the time is (to me) not
known.

And who are you and WHERE were you when all of this was created,, not
on the Internet, not on its predecessor, and likely not on the BBS
services..

Post by 98 Guy
Once created, these groups can not be removed

Wrong.

Post by 98 Guy
MEB can choose to not point his news reader (assuming he uses a news
reader) to another server that carries this group (such as aioe,
eternal-september, etc) but he can't claim that he can't participate
simply because Microsoft no longer carries the group (but I for one
hopes he doesn't). The signal to noise ratio of this group will improve
dramatically once he's gone.

And this group will die because IF it continues anywhere, it will fill
with parties such as yourself...

Post by 98 Guy

Oh cool, that ISN'T what I said nor what you quoted, did you forget to
delete it for modify the contents as usual. The groups may continue but
will fill with all those messages and users who never made ON TO
Microsoft's servers; all the flames, cussing, and all the filtered [some
which Microsoft let through these last few months just to see what WAS
going on].

Nor is what I have previously shown right here in this group regarding
you and some of your postings and where those actually came from.

Now here's a bit of reality.

I warned Usenet generally about *you* and your postings.

I warned about what parties such as yourself TRY to succeed in doing,
taking over newsgroups and/or killing them.

If anyone wants to cast blame for the closure of this server and
service, its because of you and your like; the thieves, the pirates, the
trolls, and people who can not control themselves and act like adults.
That's *you* 98-Virus-XP-whatever Guy. You have a feather for your cap
but you have one less place to spread your trash...

And here's what I posted to you on 04/17/2010 in the
Re: upgrade from win98 to winxp?
where you again suggested pirated Microsoft software links and even
suggested stealing a friend's Key for activation.

"Remember YOU determined how this proceeds..."

--
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http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

sunny

2010-05-07 06:44:15 UTC

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Post by MEB
And this group will die because IF it continues anywhere, it will fill
with parties such as yourself...

Are you aware that MVPs post to other groups not carried by Microsoft
"server" ?
Check out alt.windows7 for a start.

Hot-text

2010-05-07 07:20:44 UTC

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MEB for 98 Guy will END with the groups. Now that a good Thing do you
believe that! ; )

Post by MEB

Post by 98 Guy

Microsoft "governs" what it owns.
The "Web" is governed by its controlling bodies.
Usenet is governed by the regulations and other that apply to it.

And who are you and WHERE were you when all of this was created,, not
on the Internet, not on its predecessor, and likely not on the BBS
services..

Post by 98 Guy
Once created, these groups can not be removed

Wrong.

And this group will die because IF it continues anywhere, it will fill
with parties such as yourself...

Post by 98 Guy

Oh cool, that ISN'T what I said nor what you quoted, did you forget to
delete it for modify the contents as usual. The groups may continue but
will fill with all those messages and users who never made ON TO
Microsoft's servers; all the flames, cussing, and all the filtered [some
which Microsoft let through these last few months just to see what WAS
going on].
Nor is what I have previously shown right here in this group regarding
you and some of your postings and where those actually came from.
Now here's a bit of reality.
I warned Usenet generally about *you* and your postings.
I warned about what parties such as yourself TRY to succeed in doing,
taking over newsgroups and/or killing them.
If anyone wants to cast blame for the closure of this server and
service, its because of you and your like; the thieves, the pirates, the
trolls, and people who can not control themselves and act like adults.
That's *you* 98-Virus-XP-whatever Guy. You have a feather for your cap
but you have one less place to spread your trash...
And here's what I posted to you on 04/17/2010 in the
Re: upgrade from win98 to winxp?
where you again suggested pirated Microsoft software links and even
suggested stealing a friend's Key for activation.
"Remember YOU determined how this proceeds..."
--
MEB
http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm
Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking
http://peoplescounsel.org
The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government
___---

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2010-05-07 06:59:54 UTC

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In message <#***@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, MEB
<MEB-not-***@hotmail.com> writes:
[]

Post by MEB
You don't/can't to the groups on THIS server > Microsoft. You MAY still

(To the OP: when ME says "this" server, he means the one _he_ is using -
not the one _you_ are. [I can't tell from the path I see on his posting
-
border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.astraweb.com!border5
.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!news.alt.net!msrtr
ans!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl -
what server he _is_ using: is TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl a Microsoft server?]
[Giganews is the one I read through; if you inspect the path on his
post, it'll look different.])

Post by MEB
be able to access the supposed group on services that do not honor the
Internet standards and requirements, however you will NOT be posting to
or on Microsoft, and any information/posts will likely be from the least
informed, most prone to error individuals the planet has to offer
regardless of who they might represent themselves as. And without
Microsoft's "newsgroups" Usenet users will have no ready information to
steal and post as if it is their own, hence the level of supposed
competence will be slim, likely of the type and quality found on "urban
myth" espousing sites, or the "tin foil hat" and similar.

You have expressed similar views before. Do you have any actual
statistics on what proportion of posts on any given newsgroup (this post
is crossposted to three 'groups) is from users of the Microsoft servers
as opposed to users of the rest of the world's?

Post by MEB
So instead of moving to one of the forums offering further support from
which you can "strip" flash, ads, and other you may not want rather
easily or using RSS feeds or other offerings, you intend to subject
yourself to the mindless ramblings of those who generally need their
medications modified or are suffering from psychotic attacks..

I think we all know one of these individuals, don't we, boys and girls?
And he claims to be one of those using the Microsoft servers. (As
another has said, it'll be nicer if Microsoft _do_ pull the plug - that
is, remove these newsgroups from _their_ server - if it removes that one
person ...)

Post by MEB
Basis? Just look at a large percentage of Usenets offerings; or at the

Yes, do. Remember to include MEB postings in the statistics you compile

Post by MEB
alt offerings for the things you think you want or interest you.

[]
Not all alt. newsgroups are mad. (I was going to mention a few, but am
refraining as I want them to stay that way!)

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** http://www.soft255.demon.co.uk/G6JPG-PC/JPGminPC.htm for ludicrously
outdated thoughts on PCs. **

War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.

J. P. Gilliver (John)

2010-05-07 00:32:16 UTC

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In message <#***@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, T. K
<***@aol.com> writes:
[]

If your ISP provides a newsserver - I think AOL do - you need do
nothing. The newsgroups will continue to be carried by the rest of
usenet, under the same name, regardless of what Microsoft do. I suppose
it is just possible that - by applying pressure - Microsoft might be
able to persuade a large enough proportion of the world's servers not to
carry certain 'groups with microsoft in the name, but I suspect (a) they
won't because of the bad PR, (b) if it happens, there'll be more than
enough time for people to both set up alternatives and tell other 'group
readers what they are.

(If AOL don't provide news, then you need to sign up with one of the
alternative servers - someone has posted a list in this thread. There
are a few free ones, such as eternal-september, and a few that are very
cheap, like the Berlin one and I think Claranews. You _may_ also have to
change the software you use to _access_ newsgroups - I don't know if the
AOL software, assuming you're using that, can be used with other
servers. But for the moment you clearly are posting, so either AOL do
provide news or you're already set up with someone else.)